tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post115285195039222858..comments2023-10-16T06:15:44.440-06:00Comments on The Smiling Infidel: The Smiling Infidel Goes Muslimelasticwaistbandladyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12643871078268503643noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1154013434794998782006-07-27T10:17:00.000-05:002006-07-27T10:17:00.000-05:00Hi Nadia!I'm glad to know that Muslim friendship, ...Hi Nadia!<BR/><BR/>I'm glad to know that Muslim friendship, and a semblance of love for us Infidels is pervasive throughout Malaysia. If only you could bottle up those good feelings and send them to the Middle East and Indonesia. <BR/><BR/>syar, we're both Hoosiers by birth!elasticwaistbandladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12643871078268503643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1153925073134380282006-07-26T09:44:00.000-05:002006-07-26T09:44:00.000-05:00For what it’s worth…I think the matter of Muslims ...For what it’s worth…<BR/><BR/>I think the matter of Muslims speaking out against the atrocities of terrorism varies greatly according to region. Here in Malaysia, a country that associates itself with a ‘moderate’ take on Islam, acts of violence and destruction in the name of the religion are castigated on a daily basis; be it by laymen or experts, in coffee shop conversations or on forums and talk shows. The compassion we feel for our suffering brothers and sisters in Iraq, Lebanon, East Timor, etc, in no way diminishes the urgent need we have to distance ourselves from what we know to be false. <BR/><BR/>That said, it certainly doesn’t feel like speaking up is doing the world any good, and yet I don’t know what would. It seems like a situation in which we who are not in the thick of it have no control; sometimes the helplessness gets too frustrating to bear.<BR/><BR/>Also, and I’m speaking for myself here, the only constraints I’ve ever felt imposed on me as a woman were those meted out by society, not by my religion. Any perceived slight or notion of unfairness that arises in relation to my status as a Muslim woman have been and can be dispelled by careful study and informed analysis of Quranic text, coupled with clarification from qualified Muslim scholars. It’s the manipulative interpretation of this text that leads to the barbaric treatment of females in countries that identify themselves as Islamic - which is something that leaves me just as conflicted as Syar. <BR/><BR/>Ditto her on the 'thank God for translations'; when done right, it's really beautiful to read in any language.<BR/><BR/>--- Nadia (Blogger won't let me sign in!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1153720304760960362006-07-24T00:51:00.000-05:002006-07-24T00:51:00.000-05:00religion always makes me feel that way, elastic. k...religion always makes me feel that way, elastic. kinda like when I eat too much for lunch then drink too much water. <BR/><BR/>are we? that's so cool.Syarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13409040704494537406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1153449840376403582006-07-20T21:44:00.000-05:002006-07-20T21:44:00.000-05:00Syar, I didn't set out to offend anybody, just sor...Syar, I didn't set out to offend anybody, just sort of grapple with my own conflicted feelings. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps, you, like my neighbors, represent a more moderate Islam than others? An Islam accepting of dfferent faiths and willing to co-exist peacefully. Then there's the other side of it where we hear that the Quran teaches that all infidels must be converted or killed. It's no secret that some followers take that to be the divine word and adhere to it thus making peace impossible.<BR/><BR/>Conflicted syar. This left you with mixed feelings because I have mixed feelings on it all too.<BR/><BR/>By the way, did you know that we're both natives of Indiana?elasticwaistbandladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12643871078268503643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1153388194645836732006-07-20T04:36:00.000-05:002006-07-20T04:36:00.000-05:00As a Muslim, I'm glad that the muslim community th...As a Muslim, I'm glad that the muslim community there is reaching out and that you and your family chose to receive the hand. its always nice, especially in times of turmoil like now, for outsiders to see the real deal. <BR/><BR/>the quran is written entirely in arabic, and as a malaysian muslim I don't know too many people who know arabic. thank allah for translated versions. the language can't really define the deeper meanings. <BR/><BR/>I also respect firm grounding in your own faith. this was refreshing although I must say I have mixed feelings for some reason.Syarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13409040704494537406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1153160202816363382006-07-17T13:16:00.000-05:002006-07-17T13:16:00.000-05:00You know that I agree with you there, Patrick. If ...You know that I agree with you there, Patrick. If there was a stronger show of force by the Muslim community to denounce terrorist acts, they would find themselves better received by non-Muslims.<BR/><BR/>Traditional dictates and more rigid followers of this faith bring oppression and horror to women. Forget about negotiating any kind of peace treaties either, because they'll renege and kill your children. Israel has learned this the hard way. Thanks a lot Ariel Sharon; giving up the Gaza Strip in pursuit of peace was a real dandy idea, wasn't it? You can't reason with those that embrace the culture of death; you have no trading power with them.elasticwaistbandladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12643871078268503643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1153062243662688982006-07-16T10:04:00.000-05:002006-07-16T10:04:00.000-05:00Mullet-woman, what is 'he-logic'? As opposed to s...Mullet-woman, what is 'he-logic'? As opposed to she-logic? I see mor than black and white...I enjoy the blues and purples of the bruises I inflict. Why aren't the supposed 'majority' denigrating the supposed 'few' (Muslims) who are causing trouble? Why is the supposed 'majority' so silent?White Man Retardedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01146513221370959529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1152984831018325492006-07-15T12:33:00.000-05:002006-07-15T12:33:00.000-05:00Hey compulsive, before passing judgement, one shou...Hey compulsive, before passing judgement, one should <I>always</I> walk a mile in someone else's shoes. Because by then you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.<BR/><BR/>Okay, I appreciate all the comments. My only point from this entry is to show that in the span of 2 1/2 hours, I listened to one guy give an Islam presentation who's a fairly recent immigrant to America and couldn't help himself but to castigate us for our past. I immediately felt intense dislike towards him, but then my daughters and I were embraced by everyone else we met at the mosque. This sort of proves the point that the majority are similar minded in their respect to people of different ideas, faiths, ethnicities, but there just had to be that one provocative butthead that tries to spoil the experience.<BR/><BR/>So they say that Islam is 99% well intentioned with just a 1% Islamo faschist element hell bent on terrorism and destruction. I'm inclined to believe this. It <I>would</I> be nice to see more solidarity amongst Muslims in condemning oppressive regimes and terrorist factions though. After all, it's incontrovertable that every major skirmish throughout the world at this very moment involves the so called, "religion of peace".elasticwaistbandladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12643871078268503643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1152977176671394662006-07-15T10:26:00.000-05:002006-07-15T10:26:00.000-05:00elasticwaistbandlady...i think that all just sound...elasticwaistbandlady...<BR/><BR/>i think that all just sounds so neat...I hope you post on your experience as the Muslim friends you are making come and see and experience parts of your faith.<BR/><BR/>I would also hope that more than buildings, etc. they would be able to get a sense of how your faith makes you different and changes who you are.<BR/><BR/>--RC of strangeculture.blogspot.comRChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11340006144797496514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1152944886306951792006-07-15T01:28:00.000-05:002006-07-15T01:28:00.000-05:00When a faith has around a billion adherents the ad...When a faith has around a billion adherents the adherents will run the whole gamut from the saintly to the sheer evil. The great majority of muslims will sit somewhere in the middle leading their lives with much the same aspirations and desires as anyone else on the planet.<BR/><BR/>That does not mean one should tolerate those that pervert their beliefs and commit acts of terror or brutality (viz Taliban, 9/11, Bali, Madrid, Beslan, London, Mumbai).jams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1152942830472780252006-07-15T00:53:00.000-05:002006-07-15T00:53:00.000-05:00Before I met my husband I was seriously involved w...Before I met my husband I was seriously involved with a man from Gujarat, India, and was/is a devout Hindu. He chose to go to grad school at byu because the Honor Code, etc. appealed to his religious/moral values. <BR/>I was taking a graduate class at U of U and the professor was a woman who described herself as Persian (Iranian), and a Muslim. When she found out that I was going to go to India with my boyfriend, she went ape. Remember the horrible Sally Fields movie "Not without my daughter"? Well, that was what she warned would happen to me-that I would be taken hostage by these evil Hindus, that I would likely be sold into slavery, and on and on. The irony was completely lost on an otherwise highly educated, intelligent woman. The class members looked at her as if she were insane. But her sense of reality was 100% true to her, to her experience of the world. <BR/>All I'm trying to say is that atrocities have been happening in the name of one religion or another for much of the world's history, and it seems to me less about religion and more about will to power.Elizabeth-Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12215621448451413460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1152930285760006212006-07-14T21:24:00.000-05:002006-07-14T21:24:00.000-05:00My son had to learn about the origins of Islam in ...My son had to learn about the origins of Islam in his school. They were taught that when Islamic invaders took over lands and people that they let them keep their religion, but taxed them greatly for not converting. The kids were taught that the Islamic invaders did this for hundreds of years.Mimo- JenKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01900372141782305049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1152929872400535482006-07-14T21:17:00.001-05:002006-07-14T21:17:00.001-05:00lol, mf, lol...lol, mf, lol...White Man Retardedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01146513221370959529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1152929836382872522006-07-14T21:17:00.000-05:002006-07-14T21:17:00.000-05:00Hey wait, elizabeth, wasn't the Crusades the then-...Hey wait, elizabeth, wasn't the Crusades the then-Western response to the military-like conquer and kill spread of Islam? So what. Islam is ghetto. If Islam is so peaceful, then how come the Muslim population kills on a whim? How come they burn their cities? How come they kill their women? Do the women get virgins also? I can't buy the 'peaceful' Muslim. Just like a snake basking in the sun, docile until you learn its true nature. Yeah rc, reach out with a bomb. I'd like to see the world through blinders also; suicide is a cop-out, whether it be for religion or otherwise. Islam is breathing its last gasp...White Man Retardedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01146513221370959529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1152921392889617962006-07-14T18:56:00.000-05:002006-07-14T18:56:00.000-05:00That's so beautiful! I love it when people are wil...That's so beautiful! I love it when people are willing to walk a bit in someone else's shoes and try to see the world from their perspective.<BR/><BR/>(I'd be tempted by the barefeet thing, too!)dalenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13414972890937798371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1152894774053221612006-07-14T11:32:00.000-05:002006-07-14T11:32:00.000-05:00Yes, RC, it was enlightening. Our Church plans on ...Yes, RC, it was enlightening. Our Church plans on hosting a reciprocal tour for them to become acquainted with our faith also. I pray that we can be as good as hosts as they were, and not say or do anything offensive. <BR/><BR/>Our Muslim neighbors went with us to tour the Houston Temple during the Open House. They always said that one day, when their mosque was completed, the favor would be returned. Hard to imagine violent and hateful members coming from a religion where I've only known wonderful people of peace.elasticwaistbandladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12643871078268503643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1152882983402454172006-07-14T08:16:00.000-05:002006-07-14T08:16:00.000-05:00how interesting, and how intering for the muslim c...how interesting, and how intering for the muslim community to reach out to other faith communities.<BR/><BR/>sounds like a pretty neat opportunity they gave you.<BR/><BR/>--RC of strangeculture.blogspot.comRChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11340006144797496514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1152873618791770982006-07-14T05:40:00.000-05:002006-07-14T05:40:00.000-05:00Yes, he could have elizabeth, justifiably so, but ...Yes, he <I>could</I> have elizabeth, justifiably so, but then that wouldn't have allowed him to cast his opinion on "<B>American</B> inequality and injustice", now would it?elasticwaistbandladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12643871078268503643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20441833.post-1152858797060762222006-07-14T01:33:00.000-05:002006-07-14T01:33:00.000-05:00Just bought a book a few nights ago titled 'No god...Just bought a book a few nights ago titled 'No god but God: The origins, evolution and future of Islam' by Reza Aslan. <BR/>Hey, he could have brought up the Crusades, or the Inquisition. ;)Elizabeth-Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12215621448451413460noreply@blogger.com